Nothing really important

I did a photo dump from my cell phone as I accidentally crushed it today...... long story, I found some game related stuff in there, nothing important or anything though.

Battletech w/ Heroscape

Some Tau

Painting Table Chaos

More of my Tau

Interesting

Fancy Arbys we always stop at on our way to game in Richmond

More of the Fancy Arbys

A long, somewhat lost 5th ed 40k vs Warmachine rant...Letshope 6th ed is better.

Before you read this. I was upset and angry and wanted to go find Stelek and smack him with the entirety of the internet when I wrote this. I still hate Stelek, the ugly living under the bridge troll that he is, but I though I would let this rant finally see the light of day and ask, Does 6th solve the problems I bring up in my nerd rage induced diatribe, or only enhance them?  

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I find myself writing this in a self question; What is the intrinsic value of a game, or an army for that matter? I guess the answer is how much enjoyment you get from playing it. Well going by that definition, then the intrinsic value of my Warhammer Guard army would be lower then anything, hell, most of our "armies" sit in disuse in cases not being deployed or used except in one off situations.

    I have a very large and formidable Tau army. It is a decent army considering the codex is behind the times and that they haven't received any new models in a long while. Even that army though has fallen by the wayside in recent months as I have begun playing Warmachine.

    I think the first problem lies in the games themselves. I look at what I need to tote around to play a pick up game of Warhammer 40k and what I need to tote around for Warmachine and the differences are staggering.

For 40k I need to keep available the following:
70 Fire Warriors
6 Devilfish
2 Hammerhead Chassis with 1 Skyray, 1 Ion Cannon, and 2 Railgun Turrets
1 Pihranha
16 Crisis Suits
2 Crisis Suit Commanders
1 Farsight
3 Sniper Drone Team Leaders
9 Sniper Drones
20 Kroot
6 Kroot Hounds
8 Vespids
3 Broadside Suits
8 Pathfinders
14 Gun Drones
14 Shield Drones
1 Ethereal
5 Objective Markers
Templates
Tape Measure
Codex
Rulebook
That is 189 Models carried in 4 multi-layer Pistol Cases

For Warmachine I need the following
Karchev
Sorscha
2 Juggernauts
1 Destroyer
1 Devestator
Beast 09
4 Widowmakers
1 Widowmaker Marksman
6 Mechanics
8 Man O War Bombardiers
8 Man O War Shock Troops
1 Manhunter
Templates
Tape Measure
Rulebook
that is 35 Models carried in a small 12x15 plastic case

    So for Warhammer 40K my "pick up game" equipment includes my entire collection, and to transport them it takes up the trunk of a small car. My Warmachine pick up game stuff on the other hand only takes up the area that I need for a tinly case which is smaller then my laptop bag.

    I know there ae those people who will say that I should take only wht I need, but the problem is that I might need a crisis suit army to fight army X and a fire warrior army to fight army Y, then a mix of the two to fight army Z. Honestly one of the reasons I got away from playing casual 40K outside my home was because of the simple fact that I did not, and still do not, enjoy toting around 4 pistol cases wherever I go. Instead I can condense what I need to 2 or 3 for a tournament. While I loose a great deal of flexibility at a 40K tourney I gain easier transport.

    I think the format for competative 40k though is different and irritating. I played competative 40k for a couple of years. I found it to leave a sour taste in my mouth, more on that later though. Direct comparisons though of competative 40k and Warmacine though lead me to lean towards Warmachine as being the game built for competative play with its very strict and deliberate scenario rules as opposed to 40k where the players can and will, interperet or manipulate the game and rules to thier needs to win. I can draw 2 direct examples of this, well no, 3.

1-Objective placement
    In Warhammer 40K the objectives at most lower level tournaments (and casual play) are placed by the players unless the TO has scenarios which state otherwise. This creates and issue for alot of players in that if I know my army plays well at range but sucks when you are in close, I can place my objective in a position that is adventageous to me and will allow me to defend it better while my opponent whi plays an assault army can place thiers in a position that they dont have to defend because they will likely end up with assets in that are anyway on thier way to get me.

    In Warmachine that scenarios all clearly define where the objectives are on the table. They do not deviate from that position and any scenario you may play at any store or tournament is regulated by these guidelines so that no matter where you play, you will play scenarios from the same selection of scenarios all of which have very rigid guidelines on objective placement and control.

2-Objective Control
    This one is pretty clear cut, but also isnt. Since it is shorter I will go Warmachine first. Warmachine the objectives can only be controlled by wehatever the guidelines in SR2012 (Steamroller 2012) are and they have a defined control area.

    Now on to Warhammer 40k. Yeah....... 3 Inches, has to be a troops choice. Simple enough. It is thouse 3 Inches though which make the problem even more difficult.

the Warhammer 40K rulebook states:

"At the end of a game you control an objective if there is at least one of your scoring units, ano no enemy unit (any uit, whether scoring or not), within 3" of it. As different objectives vary in shape and size, it is important to agree at the beginning of the game exactly where this distance will be measured from"

So, what is covered under Page 91 is:
Scoring unit within 3" of the objective
No enemy units within 3" of the objective
Players need to agree on where the objective is measured from
And, both Seize Ground and Capture and Control asy I cant put the objective in impassible terrain.

What isint covered:
Where on the model do you measure from?
I would assume the base. Why?
Because on Page 3 it states:
"A Model is considered to occupy the area of its base, so when measuring distance between two models , use the closest point on thier bases as your reference points."

There are those who would argue otherwise though.

I have been at tournaments where people have argued the volume of a model counts towards being within 3 inches of an objective where the objective was on a different floor of a bulding.

Since Games Workshop provides no rule stating the volume of the model counts for ranges I cant and wont accept that.

This one subject could go on forever, so I will turnicate it right here.

I all honesty, the first 2 wore me out so much, well speaking about the second, that I have completely forgotten whatthe third was. I am sure this headache I have from writing more then anyone ever should have to about the inticacies of an objective and measuring to it isnt helping.

For those who may be curious though I have always been in the camp of the objective is 3" from a point on the board in an infinate column. this negating the while spherical objective marker nonsense you get into with when it is on a floor in a building.

Essentially what I am getting at here is what is the value to me as a gamer though of Warhammer 40k when I have options out there like Warmachine, Hordes, Malifaux, BattleTech, Heavy Gear Blitz, Dystopian Wars, Mercs, and god knows games that look good which are still in development or that I have overlooked. While each game may have its ups and downs, they are all good in thier own right and quite often they dont require the sheer volumn of space as Warhammer 40k.

I will not argue the investment monetarily in a game, as each game might have diferent price points and quite frankly, I know they have different price points. I know that the games which I play might be considered pricey by someone who likes to play a different game. I could argue investment, but in all honesty, it would probly make me feel bad about all the money I have spent on my hobbies over the past decade alone.

I guess what it all boils down to is this:

Games Workshop, I like the models for 40K, I also used to love the game. Over the past 2 years though I have met some great people in tournament and casual play. I have also met many more though who turned my stomach by using the term "competitive play" to justify being a complete ass hat. Please, do me, and those who also might be disillusioned about this game a couple big favors and do two things. First, admit that this is not a tournament style competitive game due to how you handle releases and rules and second, bring the game down to a manageable level where I can carry around stuff for a pickup game without needing a baggage train.

Just what I have been up to lately

Just some interesting stuff...

my Kroot Catachan Hybrid I call aKrootachin. I am tryign to put together a squad of 20...

And my painting table..... 30 Gaunts, some Genestealers, Battletech stuff for historicon... a paper mache house I bought from Hobby Lobby for 3 bucks which is just the right scale for Warmachine......Yeah, I am always busy painting....

I guess more later.....

really gw?

Welcome to June... The birds are singing, the kids are getting all antsy because schools almost over, time to start getting them into the games stores to spend...... huh?!?!?!? $82.00 for a Stormraven...... $75.00 for a Land Raider...... I don't play marines thank god, and unless you completely change the Tau Codex I think my 6 Fire Warrior Squads, 2 Kroot Squads, Vespids, , hammerheads, devifish..es, and full farsight bomb number of crisis suits, plus a lot of other extraneous Tau stuff should hold me over for a good long time to come. Good luck getting new players to buy in with those kinda prices when they can get into a few other games at a Tournament level for a fraction of the cost of a 40K army.

Dear Games Workshop,
   
     Your department that determines pricing has apparently been drinking on the job.

Thank you
-John Q. Public.

P.S. You can price yourselves right out of a market, its been done in a lot of industries and it is very hard to recover from. That kinda rep sticks.

Sorry, this was supposed to auto post June 1, 2012......

Warhammer needs a crash cart

    I find myself writing this in a self question; What is the intrinsic value of a game, or an army for that matter? I guess the answer is how much enjoyment you get from playing it. Well going by that definition, then the intrinsic value of my Warhammer Guard army would be lower then anything, hell, most of our "armies" sit in disuse in cases not being deployed or used except in one off situations.

    I have a very large and formidable Tau army. It is a decent army considering the codex is behind the times and that they haven't received any new models in a long while. Even that army though has fallen by the wayside in recent months as I have begun playing Warmachine.

    I think the first problem lies in the games themselves. I look at what I need to tote around to play a pick up game of Warhammer 40k and what I need to tote around for Warmachine and the differences are staggering.

For 40k I need to keep available the following:
70 Fire Warriors
6 Devilfish
2 Hammerhead Chassis with 1 Skyray, 1 Ion Cannon, and 2 Railgun Turrets
1 Piranha
16 Crisis Suits
2 Crisis Suit Commanders
1 Farsight
3 Sniper Drone Team Leaders
9 Sniper Drones
20 Kroot
6 Kroot Hounds
8 Vespids
3 Broadside Suits
8 Pathfinders
14 Gun Drones
14 Shield Drones
1 Ethereal
5 Objective Markers
Templates
Tape Measure
Rulebook
That is 189 Models carried in 4 multi-layer Pistol Cases

For Warmachine I need the following
Karchev
Sorscha
2 Juggernauts
1 Destroyer
1 Devastator
Beast 09
4 Widowmakers
1 Widowmaker Marksman
6 Mechanics
8 Man O War Bombardiers
8 Man O War Shock Troops
1 Manhunter
Templates
Tape Measure
Rulebook
that is 35 Models carried in a small 12x15 plastic case

    So for Warhammer 40K my "pick up game" equipment includes my entire collection, and to transport them it takes up the trunk of a small car. My Warmachine pick up game stuff on the other hand only takes up the area that I need for a tiny case which is smaller then my laptop bag.

    I know there are those people who will say that I should take only what I need, but the problem is that I might need a crisis suit army to fight army X and a fire warrior army to fight army Y, then a mix of the two to fight army Z. Honestly one of the reasons I got away from playing casual 40K outside my home was because of the simple fact that I did not, and still do not, enjoy toting around 4 pistol cases wherever I go. Instead I can condense what I need to 2 or 3 for a tournament. While I loose a great deal of flexibility at a 40K tourney I gain easier transport.

    I think the format for competitive 40k though is different and irritating. I played competitive 40k for a couple of years. I found it to leave a sour taste in my mouth, more on that later though. Direct comparisons though of competitive 40k and Warmachine though lead me to lean towards Warmachine as being the game built for competitive play with its very strict and deliberate scenario rules as opposed to 40k where the players can and will, interpret or manipulate the game and rules to their needs to win. I can draw 2 direct examples of this, well no, 3.

1-Objective placement
    In Warhammer 40K the objectives at most lower level tournaments (and casual play) are placed by the players unless the TO has scenarios which state otherwise. This creates and issue for alot of players in that if I know my army plays well at range but sucks when you are in close, I can place my objective in a position that is advantageous to me and will allow me to defend it better while my opponent which plays an assault army can place theirs in a position that they don't have to defend because they will likely end up with assets in that are anyway on their way to get me.

    In Warmachine that scenarios all clearly define where the objectives are on the table. They do not deviate from that position and any scenario you may play at any store or tournament is regulated by these guidelines so that no matter where you play, you will play scenarios from the same selection of scenarios all of which have very rigid guidelines on objective placement and control.

2-Objective Control
    This one is pretty clear cut, but also isn't. Since it is shorter I will go Warmachine first. Warmachine the objectives can only be controlled by whatever the guidelines in SR2012 (Steamroller 2012) are and they have a defined control area.

    Now on to Warhammer 40k. Yeah....... 3 Inches, has to be a troops choice. Simple enough. It is those 3 Inches though which make the problem even more difficult.

the Warhammer 40K rulebook states:

"At the end of a game you control an objective if there is at least one of your scoring units, and no enemy unit (any unit, whether scoring or not), within 3" of it. As different objectives vary in shape and size, it is important to agree at the beginning of the game exactly where this distance will be measured from"

So, what is covered under Page 91 is:
Scoring unit within 3" of the objective
No enemy units within 3" of the objective
Players need to agree on where the objective is measured from
And, both Seize Ground and Capture and Control say I cant put the objective in impassible terrain.

What isn't covered:
Where on the model do you measure from?
I would assume the base. Why?

"A Model is considered to occupy the area of its base, so when measuring distance between two models , use the closest point on their bases as your reference points."

There are those who would argue otherwise though.

I have been at tournaments where people have argued the volume of a model counts towards being within 3 inches of an objective where the objective was on a different floor of a building.

Since Games Workshop provides no rule stating the volume of the model counts for ranges I cant and wont accept that.

This one subject could go on forever, so I will truncate it right here.

I all honesty, the first 2 wore me out so much, well speaking about the second, that I have completely forgotten what the third was. I am sure this headache I have from writing more then anyone ever should have to about the intricacies of an objective and measuring to it isn't helping.

For those who may be curious though I have always been in the camp of the objective is 3" from a point on the board in an infinite column. this negating the while spherical objective marker nonsense you get into with when it is on a floor in a building.

Essentially what I am getting at here is what is the value to me as a gamer though of Warhammer 40k when I have options out there like Warmachine, Hordes, Malifaux, BattleTech, Heavy Gear Blitz, Dystopian Wars, Mercs, and god knows games that look good which are still in development or that I have overlooked. While each game may have its ups and downs, they are all good in their own right and quite often they don't require the sheer volume of space as Warhammer 40k.

I will not argue the investment monetarily in a game, as each game might have different price points and quite frankly, I know they have different price points. I know that the games which I play might be considered pricey by someone who likes to play a different game. I could argue investment, but in all honesty, it would probably make me feel bad about all the money I have spent on my hobbies over the past decade alone.

I guess what it all boils down to is this:

Games Workshop, I like the models for 40K, I also used to love the game. Over the past 2 years though I have met some great people in tournament and casual play. I have also met many more though who turned my stomach by using the term "competitive play" to justify being a complete ass hat. Please, do me, and those who also might be disillusioned about this game a couple big favors and do two things. First, admit that this is not a tournament style competitive game due to how you handle releases and rules and second, bring the game down to a manageable level where I can carry around stuff for a pickup game without needing a baggage train.

GW v PP Price Comparisons

So, I saw an artile on BOLS about Warhammer 40k on the cheap. So, I naturally decided that I should compare my 2 hobbies and see what kind of price differences we are talking about. First I made a Tau list that I could like playing and then 2 Warmachine lists I woudl like playing, both at their standard tournament force sizes, 1500 and 35 respectively, and got current costs, plus taxes, and compared them. The Warhammer 40k list came out to 432.84. not bad for a Tau list at 1500, Warmachine came out to 307.57.

Now breaking it down, just to the starterboxes if you want, the Tau one can support 689 points by itself, i omitted the stealthsuits from the 1500 as i have never found a use for them. The Khador battlebox supports 11 points by itself. Everything in the Khador box though has a use, and at 49.99 vs the Tau box at 110.00 it seems a better deal. I included copies of the rosters below in case anyone wanted to compare for themselves.

Tau 1500 point list

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1500 Pts - Tau Empire Roster - Sample Roster

HQ: Commander Shas'el
-1 Commander Shas'el - Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle; Twin Linked Missile Pod
--1 Crisis Bodyguard - Hard-wired Drone Controller; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array
---2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator
--1 Crisis Bodyguard - Hard-wired Drone Controller; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array
---2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator
--2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator

HQ: Commander Shas'el
-1 Commander Shas'el - Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle; Twin Linked Missile Pod
--1 Crisis Bodyguard - Hard-wired Drone Controller; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array
---2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator
--1 Crisis Bodyguard - Hard-wired Drone Controller; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array
---2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator
--2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator


Troops: Fire Warrior
-6 Fire Warrior, 155 pts - Pulse Rifle x6
--1 Devilfish  - Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Flechette Discharger
---2 Gun Drones - Twin Linked Pulse Carbines

Troops: Fire Warrior
-6 Fire Warrior, 155 pts - Pulse Rifle x6
--1 Devilfish  - Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Flechette Discharger
---2 Gun Drones - Twin Linked Pulse Carbines

Troops: Kroot Carnivore Squad
-12 Kroot Carnivore Squad, - Kroot Rifle x12

Heavy Support: Broadside Battlesuit
-1 Broadside Battlesuit - Twin Linked Railgun; Smart Missile System; Drone Controller; Team Leader
--2 Broadside Battlesuit - Acute Senses; Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Smart Missile System; Target Lock
--2 Shield Drone - Shield Generator

Heavy Support: Hammerhead Gunship
-1 Hammerhead Gunship - Railgun; Landing Gear; Targeting Array; Two Burst Cannons; Disruption Pod; Flechette Discharger; Multi-Tracker

Model List

3 Broadside Battlesuit 3@ 35.00ea (105.00)

2 Tau Crisis Battlesuit Commander - 2@ 30.00 ea (60.00)

4 Crisis Bodyguard - 1 Box Set, 3@ 24.75ea (74.25)

2 Devilfish and gun drones - 1 Box Set, 1@ 35.00

12 Fire Warrior - Box Set

1 Hammerhead Gunship - 1@ 49.50

12 Kroot Carnivores - Box Set

14 Shield Drone - 12 convert from Gun Drones with Suits, 2@ 2.99ea (5.98) (Warstore ebay store gun drones to convert)

Tau Empire Battlebox box set - 110.00

Tau Codex - 24.75

WH40k Rulebook - 57.75

Total: 412.23
VA Sales Tax (5%): 20.61
Subtotal: 432.84

Khador 35 pt list:

List 1 (35pts)
35pt Khador Roster (Standard Game)

Selections:

* Warcaster
* Kommander Sorscha
    * Warjacks
    Beast 09
    Destroyer

* Unit (19pts)
* Doom Reavers (Ldr and 5 Grunts)
* Man-O-War Shocktroops (Leader and 4 Grunts) 
* Widowmakers (Ldr and 3 Grunts)

* Solo
* War Dog 

List 2 (35pts)
35pt Khador Roster (Standard Game)

Selections:
* Warcaster (22pts)
* Karchev the Terrible
    * Warjacks
        Beast 09
    Destroyer
    Juggernaut

* Unit
* Man-O-War Shocktroops (Leader and 4 Grunts)
* Widowmakers (Ldr and 3 Grunts)

Model List
Kommander Sorscha - Battlebox Box Set
Karchev the Terrible - 49.99
Beast 09 - 54.99
Destroyer - Battlebox Box Set
Juggernaut - Battlebox Box Set
Man-O-War Shocktroops - 44.99
Widowmakers - 19.99
Doom Reavers - 32.99
War Dog - 9.99

Warmachine Rulebook (Softcover) - 29.99

Khador Battlebox - 49.99

total: 292.92
VA Sales tax (5%): 14.65
subtotal: 307.57

125.27 difference

Ard Boyz 2011

I made it to the second round of the Ard Boyz this year. This is a short wrap up of the second round as I didnt do one for the first.

I played at the Game Vault this year in the second round. I know I hae mentioned it before but it is a great store and if there is anyone coming by Fredericksburg they should swing by. I digress.
First of all my army going into round 2 consisted of:

After Action Report

Well, I have just finished the Battle For The Cure at The Game Vault. The tournament was ok. It was for a good cause so I cant complain too much. The first scenario was against Matt. He played a Nid army. The army itself wasnt overpowering, the scenario though was a different story. Pretty much you ended up with an Attacker and a Defender. The attacker had to sit in the middle of the table on an objective. The catch was that in order to move you had to make a morale check to move if you werent fearless. For his nids that wasnt a problem since most were fearless, for the Tau though it was a paralyzing rule.

The second game ws a long range sniping game with a guard player which ended up being a tie. The final game was against a Chaos army which was very well designed and was very very close.

I am sure I will go into more detail later, right now though it is just late and I honestly dont have the energy to go into detail. I did pick up 16 kroot for 17 bucks at the auction after the tournament and a few DE for 10 bucks too. They are the old DE but Michel is interested in learnign to play them, or at least in collecting them.

I am considering running a list with 1 squad of 20 kroot and 12 kroot hounds as one squad. I figure a giant blob of pissed off kroot coming at someone might keep them from assaulting my fire warriors and crisis suits.

Last RTT tourney list

At the For The Win Ard Boyz style tournament I pulled off a 5th place finish. The list I used for this was this one:

My HQ was made up of the following:

Commander Farsight
Crisis Bodyguard - Bonding Knife; Burst Cannon; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array; 2 Shield Drones
Crisis Bodyguard - Bonding Knife; Flamer; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array; 2 Shield Drones
Crisis Bodyguard - Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array; 2 Shield Drones
Crisis Bodyguard - Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array

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This HQ and bodyguard unit did its job well, usually tieing up enemy units for a while as they would attempt to drop the unit on its approach or while it took potshots at them

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My elites consisted of:


Crisis Battlesuit 1 - Twin Linked Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Targetting Array

Crisis Battlesuit 2 - Twin Linked Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Targetting Array

Crisis Battlesuit 3 - Twin Linked Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Targetting Array

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Each of these suits count as a separate squad and were able to act independently. This allowed me to use them to move anti-transport weapons out to the enemy's flank forcing them to move vehicles from what they believed were safe positions

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My troops consisted of three identical squads:

5 Fire Warrior - Pulse Rifle x5
1 Shas'ui - Bonding Knife; Pulse Rifle
1 Devilfish - Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker; 2 Gun Drones - Twin Linked Pulse Carbines

5 Fire Warrior - Pulse Rifle x5
1 Shas'ui - Bonding Knife; Pulse Rifle
1 Devilfish - Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker; 2 Gun Drones - Twin Linked Pulse Carbines

5 Fire Warrior - Pulse Rifle x5
1 Shas'ui - Bonding Knife; Pulse Rifle
1 Devilfish - Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker; 2 Gun Drones - Twin Linked Pulse Carbines

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The troops themselves were there more to allow the devilfish to count as scoring then anything else. They were each given a squad leader with a Bonding knife so if they did have to disembark they were able to regroup if reduced below half. The more important part of the units were the Devilfish with the multitrackers. This allowed them to move 12 inches and shoot thier burst cannon. This allowed the Devilfish to act as a sort of light gunship to harass light infantry and they did a very good job at it.

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My heavy support section consisted of the following:

Hammerhead Gunship - Ion Cannon; Landing Gear; Targeting Array; Two Burst Cannons; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker

Broadside Battlesuit - Bonding Knife; Twin Linked Railgun; Twin Linked Plasma Rifle; Drone Controller; Team Leader; 2 Shield Drones
Broadside Battlesuit - Twin Linked Railgun; Smart Missile System; Target Lock
Broadside Battlesuit - Twin Linked Railgun; Smart Missile System; Target Lock

Sniper Drone Team - Drone Controller; Networked Markerlight; Pulse Pistol; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array; 3 Sniper Drones - Rail Rifle and Target Lock x3; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array
Sniper Drone Team - Drone Controller; Networked Markerlight; Pulse Pistol; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array; 3 Sniper Drones - Rail Rifle and Target Lock x3; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array
Sniper Drone Team - Drone Controller; Networked Markerlight; Pulse Pistol; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array; 3 Sniper Drones - Rail Rifle and Target Lock x3; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array

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To break down the performance of the heavy support I have to break it down to each one

The Hammerhead with Ion Cannon - It worked as a mobile marine killer. The Ion cannon and two burst cannons combined with the multitracker and disruption pod allowed the vehicle to keep light and medium infantry constantly under fire.

The Broadsides used Target Locks to allow them to fire at multiple targets. This allowed them to use their weapons to drop up to 3 vehicles a turn. The team leader had 2 shield drones and a bonding knife to add survivability to the unit.

The 3 sniper teams are taken as once choice but are separate units. This unit also helped to keep the enemy under constant fire and is also a pinning. the unit was only moderately successful in this and were better as a psychological weapon then a real threat on the battlefield.

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I would love to have feedback on this. I am planning on running a similar list at the RTT at The Game Vault this month.

Mobile Gunline test results

In the past I have always had trouble with Tau gunline armies. It always seemed that I either couldnt move out quick enough when the enemy came to assault me or I couldn't take advantages due to openings. I also found myself usually lacking light vehicle popping abilities. I used a mix of Gunline and not Gunline today and well, for the first time I tabled my friend. I think I found my list for the RTT at For The Win games in Richmond. Here is the list, I hope it works good Saturday

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1850 Pts - Tau Empire Roster

HQ: Commander Farsight (11#, 561 pts)
   1 Commander Farsight, 561 pts ((C:TE, pg. 44-45); Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Hard-wired Target Lock; Shield Generator; Dawn Blade; Plasma Rifle; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Independent Character; Relentless)
      1 Crisis Bodyguard (Bonding Knife; Burst Cannon; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)
         2 Shield Drone (Shield Generator)
      1 Crisis Bodyguard (Bonding Knife; Flamer; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)
         2 Shield Drone (Shield Generator)
      1 Crisis Bodyguard (Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)
         2 Shield Drone (Shield Generator)
      1 Crisis Bodyguard (Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Missile Pod; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)

Elite: Crisis Battlesuit (1#, 53 pts)
   1 Crisis Battlesuit, 53 pts ((C:TE, pg. 34); Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Twin Linked Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless)

Elite: Crisis Battlesuit (1#, 53 pts)
   1 Crisis Battlesuit, 53 pts ((C:TE, pg. 34); Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Twin Linked Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless)

Elite: Crisis Battlesuit (1#, 53 pts)
   1 Crisis Battlesuit, 53 pts ((C:TE, pg. 34); Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Twin Linked Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless)

Troops: Fire Warrior (9#, 165 pts)
   5 Fire Warrior, 165 pts ((C:TE, pg. 36); Unit Type: Infantry; Pulse Rifle x5)
      1 Shas'ui (Bonding Knife; Pulse Rifle)
      1 Devilfish ((C:TE, pg. 36); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Skimmer); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 0; Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker)
         2 Gun Drones (Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)

Troops: Fire Warrior (9#, 165 pts)
   5 Fire Warrior, 165 pts ((C:TE, pg. 36); Unit Type: Infantry; Pulse Rifle x5)
      1 Shas'ui (Bonding Knife; Pulse Rifle)
      1 Devilfish ((C:TE, pg. 36); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Skimmer); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 0; Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker)
         2 Gun Drones (Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)

Troops: Fire Warrior (9#, 165 pts)
   5 Fire Warrior, 165 pts ((C:TE, pg. 36); Unit Type: Infantry; Pulse Rifle x5)
      1 Shas'ui (Bonding Knife; Pulse Rifle)
      1 Devilfish ((C:TE, pg. 36); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Skimmer); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 0; Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker)
         2 Gun Drones (Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)

Heavy Support: Hammerhead Gunship (1#, 130 pts)
   1 Hammerhead Gunship, 130 pts ((C:TE, pg. 41); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Skimmer); Ion Cannon; Landing Gear; Targeting Array; Two Burst Cannons; Disruption Pod; Multi-Tracker)

Heavy Support: Broadside Battlesuit (5#, 265 pts)
   1 Broadside Battlesuit, 265 pts ((C:TE, pg. 40); Acute Senses; Bonding Knife; Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Twin Linked Plasma Rifle; Drone Controller; Team Leader)
      2 Broadside Battlesuit ((C:TE, pg. 40); Acute Senses; Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Smart Missile System; Target Lock)
      2 Shield Drone (Shield Generator)

Heavy Support: Sniper Drone Team (12#, 240 pts)
   1 Sniper Drone Team, 240 pts ((C:TE, pg. 40); Unit Type: Infantry; Drone Controller; Networked Markerlight; Pulse Pistol; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array)
      3 Sniper Drones (Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Rail Rifle and Target Lock x3; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array; Relentless)
      1 Sniper Drone Team ((C:TE, pg. 40); Unit Type: Infantry; Drone Controller; Networked Markerlight; Pulse Pistol; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array)
         3 Sniper Drones (Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Rail Rifle and Target Lock x3; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array; Relentless)
      1 Sniper Drone Team ((C:TE, pg. 40); Unit Type: Infantry; Drone Controller; Networked Markerlight; Pulse Pistol; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array)
         3 Sniper Drones (Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Jet Packs); Rail Rifle and Target Lock x3; Stealth Field Generator; Targeting Array; Relentless)

Validation Report:
c-1. File Version: 1.12.0.0 For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Enclaves: Tau Farsight
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Composition Report:
HQ: 1 (1 - 2)
Elite: 3 (0 - 3)
Troops: 3 (2 - 6)
Fast: 0 (0 - 3)
Heavy: 3 (0 - 3)

Total Roster Cost: 1850

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